We sat down with another one of our talented SkillGigs travel nurses, Argel. This chat is one of a series where we wanted to bring forward the stories of the talented nurses supporting facilities across America. We were connected with Argel thanks to his dedicated SkillGigs relationship manager who has supported him along his travel journey. Travel nurse Argel agreed to have a recorded conversation about his life as a travel nurse, what it’s like working with SkillGigs, as well as advice for others considering to be a SkillGigs travel nurse. Below is the full recording followed by the transcript. The conversation is rather inspirational as you hear about Argel’s journey from Cuba to now being a Neuro ICU step-down nurse. This is great for all travel nurses, no matter where you call home.
You will see clips of the video recording on social media too!
Transcript with Travel Nurse Argel:
All right, so good morning, Argel. So nice to meet you. I’m so glad you had the time today to talk. I know you’re kind of in between contracts, so it’s a good time for us to communicate. If you could do me a favor and say hi where you’re located and the type of nurse you are.
Yeah, I am. So I’m originally from Cuba, but I live in Houston, TX for 16 years. I worked in the Medical Center in Houston and then I just recently moved to Florida, South Florida for like about a year and a half. So when I came to Florida, I was staff nurse at the beginning, at a hospital down here, and then six months in you know, travel nurses were in the in the unit we started talking and then they would be like, I think you would be a great travel nurse.
And I was like, huh, that’s an idea.
So I started looking into it and and I just decided to go ahead and do it.
So if you can that there’s nothing wrong with that, right? Because I think not only can you earn a lot, let’s just be honest. And if you have the ability to do it, why not? You know, I joke often that If I could just stand the sight of blood, I would totally be a nurse. Other fluids don’t scare me. Pressure. Stress. I got it. But that’s where I draw the line.
So in total, how many years then have you been a registered nurse?
So I graduated on December 2018. It’s been a while. It’s like about 4 1/2 years now and then January 2019 I just went ahead a couple weeks after getting my diploma. I went ahead and took 2 the NCLEX right away, passed, and I started working January 9th of 2019.
So right away. I have a family.
Yeah. So you had. At least one year under your belt before COVID chaos began, so at least.
Ohh yes it was, it was crazy for sure.
Goodness. So tell me a little bit about your journey about becoming a travel nurse. “Why” is always a good question for anyone who goes into this profession.
Yeah, yeah, sure. So like I said before, I’m from Cuba, so back then I went to a music school for six years, studied computer science for a year at the University of in Santiago de Cuba. I didn’t think I was going to get into the medical field to be honest with you.
However, my mom back then I got diagnosed with breast cancer. So she had to go through treatment, surgery. So you know, radiation, chemo, it was just her and I. My sister, my the other side of the family, they were, they were here in US already. So it was just her and I back in Cuba. So I had to, like, step up. I was, I was still like 16/17 years old at that time.
And I just have to like, you know, step up. And then help her with pretty much what nurses do at bedside. You know, like she’s like, not feeling good. She’s throwing up. She can’t keep any food down.
She’s weak, losing her hair. It was tough. But like that, I was like, whoa, this is like, you know, doing something good for other people in, in, in this case, my mom, of course.
You know, it felt it felt really good doing that. So I was like, huh, this is interesting. I really enjoy doing this, like, even though, you know, I know it’s for my family, for my mom. But even though.. And then we came to the states. So I went to Houston, TX, where we have family. We stayed there for a little bit and my first cousin, he’s a he’s a doctor in Houston and then he was like, hey, why don’t you go ahead and try to do something related to the medical field?
So I went to Lee College in Baytown, TX. I did my associate first in biology with honors and then after that, I went into the University, University of Houston-Clear Lake in Houston, TX. I did my bachelors in science, Pre-Med. So I did that first.
But then I met my wife. She got pregnant. So I decided to what, what can I do where I can, you know, start working without waiting for like 8 years, 10 years, you know of schooling.
So I decided to go into nursing school and I went to apply for University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, TX. It’s one of the best schools for medical providers.
They have PA, school, Med school in there. MP programs they have nursing program. It’s a big school, so they own hospitals as well. it’s a school that actually has their own hospital system in, in Texas, in Galveston.
So I apply, got an interview. They don’t take anybody, so I have to, you know, they I show my grades. I have already a bachelors degree in science Pre-Med degree. And they did the interview and I got accepted into the into the program, so that’s how I got into nursing.
And I worked before nursing. I work in sales in Houston, TX for a well known guy down there. His name is Mattress Mack Gallery furniture and that that background in sales, believe it or not helped a lot. And in that job, actually I learned how to treat, you know how to, like, have a conversation, use active listening skills which human beings are not great at listening.
So that helped me a lot, you know, doing other other things besides nursing before getting into nursing actually helped me down the road. So for some people that think that doing something else, you know you can apply those things into nursing as well.
So and since then I’ve been doing it for 4 1/2 years. I started off in step down unit ICU in Houston, TX. And then I did that for about a year and a half.
And then an opportunity came up there in a Medical Center in Houston and I went into ICU Neuro Trauma ICU, which is like, a a pretty hardcore unit, the unit itself was 32 beds.
So it was a big unit. And of course, I didn’t know anything about ICU at that time. Just step down ICU. It’s totally different. It’s like an eye opener. I took the leap to do that and I it was the best thing I did because I learned a lot in that unit.
They trained you for like about 8 weeks before you actually are on your own, and then they actually ask you, hey are you prepared to take patients? Because we want to make sure that you know you’re well equipped with everything, you know that you need to be able to take care of this type of population. Because it’s challenging. They’re pretty sick and you have to be, you know, on top of your game, you have to know what you’re.
So they did great in the Houston Medical Center they did great on training on ICU for sure. And after that, you know, we came to Florida and I took a staff job at the beginning. But then after six months, I started doing travel nursing.
But I mean it’s been great. I have a compact state license from Texas. It translated to Florida Compact state license as well because it’s they’re part of it. And I work also a little bit in Michigan last year.
So my wife’s from Michigan, she’s from here. And then we have a couple of kids and then an opportunity like, you know, in in Dearborn, MI presented in that was actually my second travel assignment in Michigan in ICU. Surgical trauma, ICU in Michigan. And since then I’ve been just doing quite a few travel assignments with different agencies as well.
Every agency is different. Every recruiter is different you there’s not two a like for sure and you know there are differences, but so far, it’s been great.
I like change. I adapt to change, you know. I’m from Cuba. I didn’t speak the language when I came to the state 16 years ago. I had to put myself through school, work at the same time, provide for my family. So it was tough. But you know, if you have that, if you have the, the willingness to like, you know, improve yourself, this is the place to be so.
Wow, so it’s a lot to unpack and a lot of good richness in that. So what I’m hearing is family was your fuel to some extent. Circumstance to start — you know, I’d never wish that upon anyone’s mother, and especially if you’re a teenager and you’re alone with, you know, being the caretaker of all things.
That’s rough, that’s tough.
But you discovered something about yourself and then you came here to Texas. I mean, Houston and that greater area is the one of the major epicenters of healthcare. So that’s a good place to land if that’s something that you’re interested in.
The fact that you had a cousin that nurtured that will I think that’s fantastic.
I’m glad that you mentioned that about Houston because most people when I tell them that about the Medical Center they have no clue that is actually the biggest Medical Center in the world. Like, that’s where the majority of the hospitals top notch technology doctors like training is at.
So when I say that some people are like, you’re from Houston, yeah, OK. But it’s it’s a big deal.
It’s a big deal, so.
I think, a lot of people think Houston’s like a desert and tacos, it’s like, sure, that’s there too. But there’s a lot else going for it and that’s pretty big and a lot of innovation, a lot of tech innovation.
But I love how the underpin of your story is family. I think it also speaks to your ability to be resilient and persevere. So kudos to you and I think being a travel nurse, those skill sets are huge.
I do want to touch on a couple of those things as we continue the conversation, especially as it relates to the skills that you feel like transferred. I think that’s a really important nugget to share.
So repeat again. So right now, are you currently still in neuro ICU or what is the unit you’re currently in?
So like I said, you have to have that with changes changes in you know market so to speak and also like the what the need is at. So as of right now, I’m in a step down Neuro ICU, so it’s not ICU, but it’s we still get those post stroke patients where PPA is given in the ER. And they’re stable enough to go to a step down ICU for Q1 Neuro checks every hour n euro checks.
So we we take care of that type of population, it’s mainly stroke patients, neuro patients that don’t need ICU care so to speak.
They’re still, you know, we we have to watch them closely just because most of them receive this medication is called tPA and we have to watch them closely for 24 hours.
All I know when it comes to like the nervous system or just the body, the human body in general. Every single part of Healthcare is important. Every single part of it scares me. But neural stuff is next level because I feel like it’s half science half magic.
Yeah, it’s it’s challenging, it’s challenging. And and you have to put yourself in the in the, in the patient shoes and the family as well. They’re they’re scared, the patient scared, the hospital setting is not saying that they’re used.
And sometimes we forget about that because we’re so, we work there. We go to the hospital every day to take care of these patients and families.
So like I said, like. In my experience, my mom went through a medical, you know, disease and then in my my grandma as well, she fell, broke her hip. I took care of her as well in the hospital.
That could be your mom. That could be your dad. That could be your grandma in the hospital, you know, and they’re going through a lot.
And sometimes we for you know, nurses like, because we just the daily things and we we have to keep remembering that you know that’s the human being in the bed that we have to take care of it as best as we can. And just sometimes they just they just want someone to be there to just listen to them. Like for 5 minutes. Doesn’t have to take long. They get it all out and it makes them feel way better.
To be honest. To be listened to, to be cared for. And that’s what I’m going to nurse. And I mean, I love it. I get recognition from the patients. That’s what I love the most and their families and I got out from work yesterday and the I have a patient, the daughter was like every 5 minutes I went to that room.
“Oh, Argel, thank you so much. Thank you so much.” You do I I was, you know on, you know, in that room for like, every 30 minutes with a, with a stroke patient.
So they were so grateful in, you know, the whole what I look forward to. And then and then the staff, the staff is great. The place that I’m at right now, management as well, the unit director comes to me.
“Hey, do you need anything else from, you know, from all, how can how can we help you with anything?”
Because they they know I have an ICU background, so they tend to give me like a bit of a harder assignment. Because this is a step down, ICU unit. And they know I can handle it.
So they put that trust in me.
And then every time they pass through. “Argel, are you, do need any help? You know anything?” And then they’ve been great. But also you have to build that relationship. You have to build that report like it’s not, like you know, you have to make yourself available, and then you have to make yourself, like, open to talking to management and not be shy about it. Because they have to know you so that way they you can work with them.
You know, if they don’t know you, then you know cause you’re you’re a traveler.
So you have to make sure that you have you establish that relationship with the staff that you work with some outside and also management.
So they notice you, you know there’s nothing wrong. You know, with taking credit for what you do.
You know, and that’s what I do.
You you have, you have to make sure that whatever you do, you know the management sees it. You take credit for it, you know you’re doing the job, you’re doing a great job. You you know, so take credit for it. There’s nothing wrong with that so.
There’s nothing wrong with advocating for yourself in any place in any situation. That’s always a healthy trait, but your comment about, I think sometimes our physical health only improves when our mental health is in a good place.
So when nurses are going extra mile and showing that they care and that you’re not just another patient goes a super long way.
I think back to when I was 10, my mom had, emergency open heart surgery, a whole mess. She’s a type one diabetic. So it’s kind of all related. She had triple bypass and whole bunch of other stuff. She had a blood clot that was pretty insane.
Nevertheless, she was in, shortly after her main surgery, she was in the hospital when I was having my birthday and apparently she had told one of the nurses, who became like family – because she was there for two months – that she was, so she was feeling so down that my birthday was going to have to be in the hospital.
That nurse brought me a cupcake. And they sang me happy birthday. Like it’s like one of those things where it was such a special birthday for me because my mom was alive and the nurses was celebrating me. Like, I felt, like, super special. No one had to do that.
It’s the little thing.
It’s the little thing.
But now here I am. A couple decades later, that memory is still very much a part of my story, so nurses can make a difference for sure.
Oh, 100% hundred.
So you mentioned you’ve worked with a couple of different travel nurse agencies. You’ve worked, you know staff, you’ve done travel, talk me through that a little bit because I want to get to your relationship with SkillGigs. So from Texas to Michigan, Michigan to Florida.
Yeah, how did that work?
So I work with quite a few agencies. So I’ve been doing travel nursing for almost 2 years now, and the first agency that I worked with was in. South Florida local contract, they were good. I think they’re still around. But anyways, so the recruiter was OK. I just applied to all online to quite a few agencies.
And then of course they were, they call me. They kind of did a quick interview, not not long. And then they said, oh, we have this position, I think you’ll be great due to your, you know what you what you want to be at.
And then I just went with them. It was, it was. It was only for like 13 weeks. And then the hospital – I did a good job – they wanted me to stay in their assignment for another four weeks.
They wanted me to stay for another for eight weeks, but I was like, no, I think like 4 weeks from now I will be great.
So I did that and then with that agency, the communication wasn’t great with the recruiter, so they said I will send a test, or e-mail and then I will get like 24-hour reply. It wasn’t like you know like and it was something that I needed right away and you have to wait a little bit longer. So the communication was not there but.
But I mean, it’s a great experience. It was my first travel assignment. You know, I’m grateful for it because, you know, you know, when you first do something new, it’s like, oh, my God, what? Am I doing? You know, so. It was great.
I had a great experience. The hospital, the staff as well. They were great.
That was a nice shift on ICU the the first assignment. Surgical ICU.
So and they, they will flow me to medical neuro because they knew that I have background in neuro ICU. That was my first assignment and then my second assignment I went with American model Ann.
That assignment was in Michigan, so I had to apply for a Michigan State license because they don’t have, they’re not part of the compact state. So pretty much like, also with this company with this agency, they were great at the beginning. However, it was a rocky start, because I was trying to say how do I do this?
How do I get the Michigan license because like it’s going to be new for me, I don’t know how to like which website do I have to go to?
So the start was a bit rocky and then same issue with the recruiter.
You know, sometimes they they answer and then sometimes it was, like a it goes to. You, you know, and and I was all the way in Michigan and I took my family with me to that with that assignment. You know, in Michigan to Michigan, so.
Great experience at the Michigan Hospital in Dearborn. Also surgical ICU. I did 13 weeks in the I extended for another eight weeks.
However, I didn’t extend it with the same agency. So something happened in between, so the the hospital offered me an extension because I was doing a great job. And the manager loved me. She’s like, I don’t want to go. We still need you. I don’t want you to go.
Please don’t go.
So I talked to my agency at that time, and the recruiter said, hey, four weeks, you know, before the contract was done and then hey, they still want me to stay for another 8 weeks.
There was some type of miscommunication. They were all, we don’t know, the hospital hasn’t say anything. And then I was like, well, I’m pretty sure there’s some talk to you because they’re telling me that they are ready to go
It’s like pretty much you guys have to like send, you know, confirm. So to make the story short, their recruiter was like “Oh well, the rates drop.”
But it was a substantial drop on the rate. I was like, huh, interesting, because they have other travelers in the unit, because this unit, it was like half travelers, half staff. There was quite a few travelers in in Michigan and talking to them.
So, like, yeah, it’s dropping not that much. And I was like, oh, that’s interesting.
So I found out that they were trying to, you know, kind of like play games with the rate. And I just went ahead and, you know, like I said, I’m not afraid of change and I’m pretty, pretty like I would say resourceful, like you know.
So I just went ahead and called around a couple of agencies that I spoke to the manager, the unit manager, I told, I told her what was going on with the agency and the recruiter and the rate and then she was like, you know what? I’m going to give you a list of the other agencies that. You know, we work with if you want to go with a different agency and just make the change, just go ahead and do it.
I spoke to Matt, the recruiter was great and I spent the situation and then he was like, hey he, he was like, I don’t know, the whole story l et me call the hospital. Let me find out for you. So he did. And he was right. He’s like, no, that rate didn’t drop that much.
This is what they’re actually offering. And it was about, like $15.00 more an hour. Then what the hospital was offering at that time for the extension.
So I was like, wow, that’s that’s not good. Like I mean, I mean I’m I understand about the market and the rates drop and things like that. But like it was, it was a substantial amount.
At that point I do my 8 weeks. Then again the contract was up. Managers like I want you to stay. I’m like. No, I have to go back to Florida.
I’m building a house in Florida. I have to move my family back to Florida. It’s South Florida and then she was like, well, just keep my contact, please. If you decide to come back, please call me. Until till this day, I still talk to the staff members and the manager as well for references and things like that. They’re more than welcome to do that for me, for different assignments that I’ve been.
So after that, I came back down to Florida. To Jacksonville.
OK so so I have an assignment in Jacksonville right after Michigan in the surgical trauma ICU. [The agency] were direct contact with the hospital and I did that for like about 13 weeks in surgical trauma ICU night shift.
They were great, but at that time they didn’t need the the extension, that’s when I came back down to South Florida and started looking into my next assignment.
So yeah, so I came back down from Jacksonville to South to South Florida and then I was looking into getting you know.
Being closer to home, something you know with the driving distance like because Jacksonville was about 4 1/2 hours. So I’ve run into Fort Myers assignment and that’s when, for Lee Health. So that’s that’s when I started with SkillGigs.
SkillGigs’ agent just you know, saw that the application with them, with the hospital and then they they they they shoot me a test in e-mail and that’s how it started getting in contact with SkillGigs.
At the beginning, like super nice, he even got they even got the manager on the line the first time we spoke. That the the recruiters was great, Ralph. And he actually had his manager on the line as well, for any questions that I have regarding the position in regarding SkillGigs agency as well due to the fact like I didn’t know who SkillGigs were.
So they introduced themselves. They explained what the company was about. I also did my research so I look I look up SkillGigs and to my surprise search Richmond in TX.
You know, I was. Oh, wow, that’s great. I’m actually from Texas myself,
So that there was a connection there.
So they explain the the position, they explain how SkillGigs works when it comes to onboarding and the assignment and the things that they needed to start the process, which I already knew from, you know, other travel assignments. How I’m paid, where I work, when it comes to the stipends and the taxable amount, things like that and what I was looking for in, in, in you know in this assignment. Even though they were trying to do ICU or step down. So at the moment they have both, but then the storm came in Fort Myers and there was no need for ICU anymore and they placed me on step down.
They did ask me. Communication was always there with with SkillGigs recruiter. He he asked me hey so you know, I just found out I see your positions are not longer there. Would you willing to do step down ICU instead?
So that was nice. It was more like hey. You had to do it wasn’t like it wasn’t like that.
I was. I was asked, you know, like, hey, would you be willing to? So it it felt like less pushy from the SkillGigs’ recruiter. So I was like, oh, this is different.
So I was like. Yeah, sure.
And that’s how it started with with SkillGigs.
And I mean and so far.
What are what is different from other agencies which I have worked with in the past is the communication.
That’s may — that’s the priority for me. That’s where SkillGigs recruiter pretty much did a great job. It’s just because he said, hey, here’s here’s my Direct Line.
So if you need anything, text me. If I don’t answer that way, I’ll I’ll answer you the next day. But to be honest with you every time I have used that venue to reach to the recruiter. He he has answered right away.
It’s just it’s not in two hours like within 30 minutes or so I get a text saying, hey Argel, what’s what’s going on? How can I help you? You know? And that’s what is – has – separated SkillGigs from these other agencies that. Have worked with in the past and the recruiters that have worked in the past as well that you see the communication is there and they answer in a timely manner and if there’s any issue with pay, emails, hospital management, any type of you know documents that are missing and things like that.
SkillGigs have a great team of people that if that includes you know the answer, he will get someone. I have spoke to two different managers of SkillGigs with my recruiter, I’m in contact with him pretty much every day.
I don’t know what position is, but it’s the person that is in direct contact with the hospital – so she also like call me e-mail me for the extension the my second extension. Yeah, we’re gonna work something out for you. I’m actually the one who is in direct contact with with the facility vendor.
So if you have any questions, here’s my contact information as well.
So I have like so many people that I can reach reach to in even if my recruiter for office is busy or something like. He provided me with the tools, so if he’s busy with something that I can reach to someone else in his team of people that can answer or help me with whatever you know question I have.
So that’s been the big difference. The main difference from. You know, SkillGigs and other agencies that have worked that I have worked with in the past.
That makes me really happy to hear that because you think about what is at the core of any good relationship — communication.
Yeah. Sometimes the facility uses me as a charge nurse because they know my background and my skills. And then they manager came actually 3 managers. Came to me and asked me, hey Argel, would you please help us out with being a charged nurse as well. You have you have the knowledge we’ll just give you a couple couple days training to just a bout the paperwork that we need to do it on a daily basis for the unit and I know that you have the nursing skills to help our staff in case of anything that they might need.
So I was hesitant at the beginning. I’m a travel nurse, you know, so I’m not staff. So I didn’t know how the staff members will, you know, take that from a traveler.
But like I say like when you build relation you know a good relationship with the staff that you work with on a daily basis. When you build that report, they see you as part of the team. You know, even though you’re an outsider, so to speak, or a traveler, they you have that background with them.
You build that relationship.
So they accepted me as a charge nurse and they they know how I work, my work ethics and my nursing knowledge as well. So they respect me for that because they know that I’m my background is ICU.
And then they come to me with questions and things like that, and I give them the, you know, the support that they need.
So the unit, the unit manager as well has come to me quite a few times. Uh, hey, how’s it going? What do you need? I know that you charged today. How how’s it? How’s it going with that?
It’s been great. It’s been great and and you know it’s it’s good to be recognized. It’s good to be you know, look look up and say like, hey, you know, this guy can actually we can actually use. In something else besides just the, you know, taking care of patients on an assignment, he can be actually be a good resource for other nurses and the patients as well because you know you pretty much have the the entire unit.
You know you have to make sure that every single patient is well.
Now have you since you had that relationship with Ralph, and the reach out started that way. Have you had much exposure logging into the platform and using the platform at all, either with the messenger or looking at travel nurse jobs?
So I I do have the app, I do have to the access to the website. I’m also part of the the new app as well.
Oh, that’s another thing. You SkillGigs app app the on on my on my iPhone is great app the you know you can you can put in your time card. You can look at your, you know, pay stubs, like history.
I mean it’s it’s a great app. Uh, and it’s not on point. Like as soon as you know, payday comes in every Thursday, is there, you know, and if there’s any issue with anything, like I said, they have the support, the HR team, that’s another thing like with SkillGigs, the HR team, are in my opinion are reachable. I mean, I can send an e-mail, someone responds me right back from the HR department with any questions that I have. When it comes to pay and things like that and hours.
And it’s been great if there is like a missed punch or a difference in hour hours, they just go ahead and send like a pretty much like a check right away like to to my bank account, so it’s not like I have to wait.
So great app. So there’s so many like tools that I can use to reach to any one of you guys that you know it’s easy and I like easy.
You know, so.
Who doesn’t like easy, especially nurses, you guys are on the go, doing 5000 other things, saving lives. Do we really need to make your life any more complicated?
Yeah, that’s for sure.
Well, this has been great. I really do appreciate taking time out of your morning.
I do appreciate you taking – your shared a lot of your story. And I think in a way of telling your story and other tidbits, you kind of answered some other questions that I was going to ask you, so I don’t think there’s no need to repeat.
But again, Argel, I really do thank you taking out time, sharing your story. We’re so happy that you’re part of SkillGigs and you’re using us as part of your travel nurse career journey as we speak.
We do hope that you find a little bit more freedom and flexibility when you have connection, right? And to worry about your pay, just worry about the job. You got the people in your corner to look out for you in your contract.
And hopefully you have that sense, which sounds like you do.
Yeah, for sure, it’s been great. It’s been great. I’ve been, like I said, this is the company that I’ve been the longest with and it says a lot.
Like normally I don’t stay, you know, if I don’t, if I don’t see the the the connection, the communication is not there – I just go ahead and, you know, try to find a a different agency because the communication is not there.
So yeah, I have been with SkillGigs now, nine months, almost a year, you know, almost a year. So the longest that I have been with another agency is about just pretty much the 13 weeks assignment and that’s pretty much it.
So it says a lot.
It says a lot that you know, like you, you can trust your recruiter, you can trust the company that that you, you know you’re working with and that you have that team that support that if you have any questions, any issues with the the assignme nt or at the unit where you know the unit where you’re at that you have the support that you need.
So and that’s. That’s just priceless.
But you know you don’t find that every day when it comes to other companies, that pretty much you, you’re just a number you, you know.
But with SkillGigs for sure, it’s been totally different. Totally different.
Well, definitely in a sea of options. We thank you for choosing us and hopefully many more contracts in your future.
As many as you want to take until you’re willing to go perm. Again, for a while, who knows.
That’s the end of my questions and end of our time. Unless there’s anything else you want to share, but I really do appreciate it.
It’s been great. Thank you so.
All right. You take care. Have a good weekend.
Bye bye bye bye.
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